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Post by admin on Sept 28, 2023 22:35:20 GMT
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Post by duddex on Sept 29, 2023 4:14:11 GMT
I have to admit that I haven’t heard about Songtradr before.
But according to Wikipedia Songtradr was the largest music licensing platform in the world as of 2019.
So yes - probably bad news
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Post by pt3r on Sept 29, 2023 7:03:59 GMT
Mother****** christ on crudges. I know I’m complaining about the food quality of the free lunch, but still…
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Post by rockysmalls on Sept 29, 2023 12:15:05 GMT
well it’s not exactly been heading in the right direction since last it was sold  but it’s pretty much ALL some of us have as an outlet , so - VERY DE-MOTIVATING!!! |
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Post by pt3r on Sept 29, 2023 14:23:55 GMT
well it’s not exactly been heading in the right direction since last it was sold but it’s pretty much ALL some of us have as an outlet , so - VERY DE-MOTIVATING!!! This. |
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Post by maydonpoliris on Sept 29, 2023 22:31:06 GMT
bugger  |
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Post by pt3r on Sept 30, 2023 8:09:51 GMT
Bandcamp has been one of the least f****d up platforms where any dabbler could release their output, without the need to shell out more money, and if lucky enough make a little money. Without all the fanbots that are crawling all over soundcloud. I would really hate to see that disappear, since I’m still not invited to the temple of tiny psychics.
There is something tyring in trying to avoid the industry like the plague and it always coming back to bite you in the proverbial behind, like some recurring villain in an American tween series.
I realize however very much that there is no free lunch, running a platform like bandcamp requires a lot of hardware that does not care about starving artists, it needs hard casdh to pay for the electricity to keep the blinky lights on.
I for one find it hard enough to make music and have no skillset to play the algorithms to promote my sc(r)apes so yes this looks like a shitstorm coming our way. Bugger.
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Post by Gaëtan on Sept 30, 2023 12:23:52 GMT
It's definitely concerning, Bandcamp is absolutely a force of good on the Internet. It should never have been sold in the first place. The more time goes, the more I think that the only way to combat enshittification is for some of these internet platforms need to be run as nonprofit foundations the way wikipedia is. Epic hasn't really managed to change anything about Bandcamp, let's hope this continues.
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Post by pol on Oct 1, 2023 19:27:41 GMT
I liked what happened during Epic's ownership - we got playlists is the main thing, I find this a brilliant thing, especially on the app on my phone. I'll get excited as/when the new owners do start cocking it up....
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Post by admin on Oct 7, 2023 10:34:19 GMT
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Post by funbun on Oct 7, 2023 21:36:45 GMT
Oh, man, I didn't realize all this was going on. I may start hosting music on my own server, like you would a podcast.
There is something to that. Most of us think of these platforms an public utilities more than for-profit companies. However, not-for-profits still have to bring in revenue. They have to raise money. The only difference is how it is taxed via the IRS, at least here in the USA. Whether for or not-for profit, they still have to have enough money to keep the lights on, run all the hardware, develop software, provide for cyber security. In other words the problem doesn't get solved just because they change tax designations.
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Post by Gaëtan on Oct 7, 2023 22:05:46 GMT
Oh, man, I didn't realize all this was going on. I may start hosting music on my own server, like you would a podcast. There is something to that. Most of us think of these platforms an public utilities more than for-profit companies. However, not-for-profits still have to bring in revenue. They have to raise money. The only difference is how it is taxed via the IRS, at least here in the USA. Whether for or not-for profit, they still have to have enough money to keep the lights on, run all the hardware, develop software, provide for cyber security. In other words the problem doesn't get solved just because they change tax designations. It kinda does because the problem isn't that these platforms don't make enough money to survive. They do already. The issue is that to some people having a business that simply runs is not enough, the company has to keep growing and profits have to keep increasing, with no long term vision. |
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Post by funbun on Oct 7, 2023 22:26:42 GMT
That is a problem.
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Post by tIB on Oct 8, 2023 10:40:52 GMT
I think it might be time to make sure I have all my Bandcamp releases backed up...
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Post by rockysmalls on Oct 8, 2023 11:16:42 GMT
I think it might be time to make sure I have all my Bandcamp releases backed up... it makes very sound sense .. me too |
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Post by pt3r on Oct 8, 2023 15:26:55 GMT
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Post by Gaëtan on Oct 8, 2023 18:26:50 GMT
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Post by duddex on Oct 11, 2023 5:23:39 GMT
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Post by keurslagerkurt on Oct 11, 2023 10:03:54 GMT
It's definitely concerning, Bandcamp is absolutely a force of good on the Internet. It should never have been sold in the first place. The more time goes, the more I think that the only way to combat enshittification is for some of these internet platforms need to be run as nonprofit foundations the way wikipedia is. Epic hasn't really managed to change anything about Bandcamp, let's hope this continues. I very much agree with this take, and I believe Wikipedia is a very good example. In Belgium, if you register as a non-profit, you can still pay your employees (and yourself) a fair price (with quite fair taxes) for all the work. The main difference is that you DO NOT subscribe to the 'eternal growth' mindset, and that a malevolent/greedy CEO can not just lay people off and run off with a large part of the cash. I get so sad when profitable businesses lay off tons of people, to become EVEN MORE profitable businesses (read: the top 1% of the business / stakeholders receive more money). Of course if a business struggles to keep on the light, it can be forced into firing people, and when this happens to (small) businesses, it's sad but ultimately sometimes no one is in the wrong.. But that is most of the time not what is happening at all. Before my American friends raise the 'EUROPEAN COMMUNIST!!!!!!888!!' flags: I'm not against capitalism per se, but very much against its 2000's very neoliberal variant geared towards rapid endless 'growth'. I like to own stuff. I like to have my own expression of who I am with my stuff. I like that working, and responsability pays off. But in the current climate, the hard & responsible workers (the 'essential workers' during covid!) don't get sh*t compared to the irresponsible CEO's who get millions even if they f*ck up completely and get fired. Enough ranting, just one last thing: Keurslager Kurt is registered as a non-profit. Not only because it is not very profitable (  ) but also because I don't want it to be. If (big IF!) it would grow, and if AE would grow further, I would be happy to make this a (partial) job. But I don't want to make anything more than just a nice monthly income. Just enough to rent/pay loan, get my basics and get some synth gear occasionaly, go to a nice restaurant sometimes, buy some friends presents, go to some festivals,.. Like, the good life, but I don't need to own a yacht because I started a ""company"".. |
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Post by funbun on Oct 11, 2023 12:28:01 GMT
Yes, that's what we all want. It's a shame that so much greed has overtaken modern society, especially here in the USA. My fishing tackle business is registered as a sole proprietorship. I have no employees at all, as I don't think I would ever make enough money to pay anyone properly. As a result I'm heavily dependent on small, independent companies like Tangible Waves to make products and services that allow me to run a one man business.
I'm also reliant upon platforms like YouTube and Bandcamp to market what I do. However as time goes on I see the need to have independent platforms either our own Web sites or not-for-profit run organizations like you say.
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Post by pt3r on Oct 11, 2023 14:36:17 GMT
Meanwhile all those greenwashing 'sustainable' companies maintain an infinite growth business model, oh irony.
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Post by keurslagerkurt on Oct 11, 2023 15:25:57 GMT
Meanwhile all those greenwashing 'sustainable' companies maintain an infinite growth business model, oh irony. I can highly recommend the book 'Een beter milieu begint niet bij jezelf' van Jaap Tielbeke. For my non-dutch-speaking comrades..... Sorry, no translation available apparently  (but you could read the fantastic Human Kind by Rutger Bregman instead!!) The eco-crisis is a clear consequence of the system 'we' are running. It will not be solved without thinking about altering/steering/.. the system as is. I'm not calling out to overthrow governments, but a gradual/soft revolution towards smaller and better business practices involving PEOPLE is needed. Sadly all "measures" by governments, EU included, seem to be veered towards keeping the system intact, or even 'better', handing even CO2-problems over to the 'free market'! (hello emmission stock marketeers). Oh well, one has to make sure not to end up in a climate-fear depression.. Or not get cynical. Thats why it did feel like 'Human Kind' was a gamechanger while reading it. A deeply scientific, yet positive book?! And I believe this forum is a nice reflection of the sentiment that, in fact, most people are good. Will that save us from pending ecological horror? Probably not. But at least I'm sure people will not go full 'post-apocalyptic horror movie aggressive gang mobs'. Oh wait, we were on a synthesizer forum right? Sorry to bother y'all haha woops! |
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Post by solipsistnation on Oct 11, 2023 16:05:32 GMT
Before my American friends raise the 'EUROPEAN COMMUNIST!!!!!!888!!' flags: I'm not against capitalism per se, but very much against its 2000's very neoliberal variant geared towards rapid endless 'growth'. I like to own stuff. I like to have my own expression of who I am with my stuff. I like that working, and responsability pays off. But in the current climate, the hard & responsible workers (the 'essential workers' during covid!) don't get sh*t compared to the irresponsible CEO's who get millions even if they f*ck up completely and get fired.
What if we're like "European Communist? Cool!"
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Post by duddex on Oct 17, 2023 5:29:43 GMT
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Post by pol on Oct 17, 2023 14:20:17 GMT
Things like this make me so glad I didn't stay in the US; little or no job protection.... Worker's rights in the UK have been eroded (sick pay anyone?) but still light years ahead of this shit.... |
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) but also because I don't want it to be. If (big IF!) it would grow, and if AE would grow further, I would be happy to make this a (partial) job. But I don't want to make anything more than just a nice monthly income. Just enough to rent/pay loan, get my basics and get some synth gear occasionaly, go to a nice restaurant sometimes, buy some friends presents, go to some festivals,.. Like, the good life, but I don't need to own a yacht because I started a ""company""..
(but you could read the fantastic Human Kind by Rutger Bregman instead!!)