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Post by admin on Aug 7, 2023 8:27:35 GMT
Could you use the samplyr to play back lfo like waveforms? ... and then use the Envelope Follower to turn it into CV?  |
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Post by keurslagerkurt on Aug 7, 2023 9:16:51 GMT
Could you use the samplyr to play back lfo like waveforms? I guess it depends on whether the output is audio only (ie: is there a capacitor or not at the output). |
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Post by tIB on Aug 7, 2023 12:44:47 GMT
Could you use the samplyr to play back lfo like waveforms? ... and then use the Envelope Follower to turn it into CV? No need for the follower if it's DC coupled on the output. (I'd be surprised if it was, pleasantly!) |
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Post by pt3r on Aug 7, 2023 13:38:56 GMT
... and then use the Envelope Follower to turn it into CV? No need for the follower if it's DC coupled on the output. (I'd be surprised if it was, pleasantly!) Exactly what I was wondering. |
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Post by tIB on Aug 7, 2023 14:26:27 GMT
No need for the follower if it's DC coupled on the output. (I'd be surprised if it was, pleasantly!) Exactly what I was wondering. Yeah, I followed the logic - always wished the Machinedrum UW was DC coupled, but while there are hacks it's not as you'd want. I guess with a play only sampler you'd either need a sample bank of premade (by someone else) CV samples or a DC coupled interface to record into. Not sure how common that is? |
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Post by Kyaa on Aug 8, 2023 4:39:49 GMT
Could you use the samplyr to play back lfo like waveforms? I'm guessing it's AC coupled, which means probably not. 😬 I'd be happy to be wrong though. |
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Post by visuellemusik on Aug 8, 2023 11:01:06 GMT
Nicely done, and seems like a really powerful addition to the system! When anyone gets this can they confirm that start/end can't overlap (and reverse the sample) - assume this is the case given the reverse button but just double checking before I make the plunge (or not). In terms of Start- and End-point of the sample itself: yes indeed, currently the endpoint is limited by the startpoint / no overlapping reversing here. It's similar for Loop-Start and the Loop-Lenght (i.e. length can't be negative). You can reverse the Sample/Loop whenever you want for how long you want. Also there are loop-modes that play the loop backwards or apply a kind of ping-pong (Mode ALTERNATING): playing forwards and backwards alternately. If you reverse an already reversed part of the loop with the reverse-button you'll hear the sample played forward again, though. Please also bear in mind, that all loop-settings are relative to the length of the complete sample, in result the longer the sample is, the less accurate the loop-points may be, but this should not be an issue at all for 'normal' use-cases ;-) |
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Post by visuellemusik on Aug 8, 2023 11:12:36 GMT
Could you use the samplyr to play back lfo like waveforms? I'm guessing it's AC coupled, which means probably not. 😬 I'd be happy to be wrong though. In short: The SAMPLYR output is DC coupled. The difference to for instance Eurorack stems from the fact that there are no negative voltages. All Voltages are always from 0 to 5 Volt, audio revolves around 2.5V. Thus in principle you indeed could use SAMPLYR as some kind of "function generator" for envelopes, LFOs and alike. But please bear in mind that the sampling-quality is max 10bit/32khz und thus the results can contain unwanted additional signals (via aliasing and/or added noise) so quite a bit of experimentation would be needed to get the results you are looking for and also it might be a good idea to low-pass filter / smooth the output (eliminating high aliased frequencies, according to the Nyquist-Shannon theorem) before applying it to another module. For smoothing also instead of the filter or in addition to it (as already suggested by Carsten) an envelope-follower might be useful. Also it might be a good idea to make sure your modulation-signal is properly normalized so that the signal-range is wide enough for modulation without further amplification and could even be treated by an attenuator if needed. Of course any lofi output and the possible results can be interesting and inspiring, too. So as always experimentation may be needed ;-) |
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Post by MikMo on Aug 8, 2023 11:18:43 GMT
Probably yes, BUT I guess that you would not be able to use that as a modulation source as you would with an ordinary LFO, because the output is Audio, not CV.
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Post by tIB on Aug 8, 2023 12:08:52 GMT
Nicely done, and seems like a really powerful addition to the system! When anyone gets this can they confirm that start/end can't overlap (and reverse the sample) - assume this is the case given the reverse button but just double checking before I make the plunge (or not). In terms of Start- and End-point of the sample itself: yes indeed, currently the endpoint is limited by the startpoint / no overlapping reversing here. It's similar for Loop-Start and the Loop-Lenght (i.e. length can't be negative). You can reverse the Sample/Loop whenever you want for how long you want. Also there are loop-modes that play the loop backwards or apply a kind of ping-pong (Mode ALTERNATING): playing forwards and backwards alternately. If you reverse an already reversed part of the loop with the reverse-button you'll hear the sample played forward again, though. Please also bear in mind, that all loop-settings are relative to the length of the complete sample, in result the longer the sample is, the less accurate the loop-points may be, but this should not be an issue at all for 'normal' use-cases ;-) Thanks for the in depth answer/info on this and also the DC coupling post - I think I may have to make room to experiment here! |
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Post by visuellemusik on Aug 8, 2023 12:37:28 GMT
Probably yes, BUT I guess that you would not be able to use that as a modulation source as you would with an ordinary LFO, because the output is Audio, not CV. Yes indeed, it's audio and not CV. Yet I made similar experiments with GRAINS already, using the audio-output and it worked nicely for LFOs with Sinus- or Square and similar shapes, when the waveform also revolves around 2.5V. |
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Post by visuellemusik on Aug 20, 2023 21:57:30 GMT
Put a track called "Commuting Moons" on Soundcloud using SAMPLYR as the only soundsource. The Samples have been created in the DAW and then converted for SAMPLYR using Audacity, format is WAV/mono, a-law (12 bits companded to 8 bits) with 22.05 khz.  soundcloud.com/taitekatto/commuting-moonsThe track features several recordings of SAMPLYR. Apart from it, ADSR, SVFILTER, 2VCA and DELAY have been used. In the DAW a bit of panning and reverb got added. Some samples got reversed in SAMPLYR and in some cases in the DAW as well.
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Post by pt3r on Aug 21, 2023 5:43:24 GMT
Yes I made the right decision to order one. This brings me back to the Roland W-30 days, those had a comparable resolution and they give this lofi dustiness that I never got from any other sampler The closest I've come recently is the Polyend Tracker which also works with mono samples that can get their bitrates lowered. Very nice showcase and I'm sure it will blend in well in the rest of the AE universe.
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Post by keurslagerkurt on Aug 21, 2023 11:25:45 GMT
Yes I made the right decision to order one. This brings me back to the Roland W-30 days, those had a comparable resolution and they give this lofi dustiness that I never got from any other sampler The closest I've come recently is the Polyend Tracker which also works with mono samples that can get their bitrates lowered. Very nice showcase and I'm sure it will blend in well in the rest of the AE universe. I'd really love to get my hands on an AKAI S1000 one day. The ultimate dusty sampler. I've sold my Tracker recently, had a lot of fun with it, but didnt use it enough to warant the price tag. I like the song mode as well, even though it feels a bit like they didnt show it much love in the updates. I use my Digitakt more, main reason is because imho the Digitakt filter is way way way better sounding than the Tracker one. Delay & reverb are great on both, and i miss the FM sampling and funny granular mode of the Polyend. I also miss that you can just export the stems of a full song in one button press (!!!!!) to the sd card. Lovely track visuellemusik |
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Post by pt3r on Aug 21, 2023 11:55:55 GMT
Akai S950 is the holy grail of dustiness or, if you have any kidneys left, an SP1200  My Polyend is getting its screen repaired as we speak but all under warranty so no biggie. I grew up on trackers so for me there is also a whole lot of nostalgia connected to the machine, I love the excell interface to build my tracks, and quite frankly I think that I have barely scratched the surface of what's possible with that box. |
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Post by rockysmalls on Aug 22, 2023 18:34:50 GMT
Put a track called "Commuting Moons" on Soundcloud using SAMPLYR as the only soundsource. The Samples have been created in the DAW and then converted for SAMPLYR using Audacity, format is WAV/mono, a-law (12 bits companded to 8 bits) with 22.05 khz. soundcloud.com/taitekatto/commuting-moonsThe track features several recordings of SAMPLYR. Apart from it, ADSR, SVFILTER, 2VCA and DELAY have been used. In the DAW a bit of panning and reverb got added. Some samples got reversed in SAMPLYR and in some cases in the DAW as well.
the good news is that Twisted Wave on the ipad does u-Law & a-Law rendering  ... i’ll have to email you , i have a question about the 12bit companding to 8bit thingy .. |
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Post by maydonpoliris on Aug 23, 2023 21:22:07 GMT
after listening to this how can I not order one, real cool visuellemusik |
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Post by pol on Aug 23, 2023 23:43:30 GMT
Could you use the samplyr to play back lfo like waveforms? Yes, anything you cna record and save as a .wav file  The thign would be that audio "rotates" around 2.5V, and full CV range is 0-5V so would not be exaclty the same as an LFO, but that could eb the point |
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... i’ll have to email you , i have a question about the 12bit companding to 8bit thingy ..
The thign would be that audio "rotates" around 2.5V, and full CV range is 0-5V so would not be exaclty the same as an LFO, but that could eb the point