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Post by danbowen on Jan 23, 2021 12:47:01 GMT
Has anyone from the UK bought anything recently? Just wondered what charges to expect because of bloody brexit.
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Post by 101 on Jan 23, 2021 14:17:46 GMT
I bought a 2VCA module on 31st Dec and props to Tangible waves I got an email on 14th Jan saying it had been despatched. No sign of it though 9 days later. So I guess it's probably stuck in a lorry or warehouse somewhere.
There was an article in the UK Guardian newspaper the other day saying there are now high import charges on all items bought from EU websites. I'll post an update once I get the module.
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Post by danbowen on Jan 23, 2021 14:50:01 GMT
Ok. Thought it might be a faff. Taking back control. Balls.
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Post by robertlanger on Jan 24, 2021 9:31:47 GMT
AFAIK, there is a trade agreement avoiding import taxes from EU countries - I hope this is true!
End of last year, on shipping to the UK was not possible at all due to the new "british corona virus" but this is is revoked now. Maybe a lot of parcels has piled up, therefore the delays?
Shipping is not easy currently; e.g. parcels to the US take 8 weeks and more at the moment :-(
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Post by robertlanger on Jan 24, 2021 9:33:07 GMT
I bought a 2VCA module on 31st Dec and props to Tangible waves I got an email on 14th Jan saying it had been despatched. No sign of it though 9 days later. So I guess it's probably stuck in a lorry or warehouse somewhere. There was an article in the UK Guardian newspaper the other day saying there are now high import charges on all items bought from EU websites. I'll post an update once I get the module. Yes, please keep us updated - thanks! |
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Post by 101 on Jan 27, 2021 10:44:06 GMT
My 2VCA has arrived. No import charges. I'm impressed! Ordered 31st Dec 2020 and arrived 27/01/2021. It's even got the new knobs  |
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Post by ashito on Jan 27, 2021 17:20:17 GMT
My box came through yesterday morning with no customs charge (much to my delight and suprise)
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Post by danbowen on Jan 28, 2021 9:15:34 GMT
My box came through yesterday morning with no customs charge (much to my delight and suprise)
Did you pay VAT? |
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Post by ashito on Jan 28, 2021 19:07:41 GMT
My box came through yesterday morning with no customs charge (much to my delight and suprise)
Did you pay VAT? Ah. Good point.
I think I did (I did my order in Autumn last year).
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Post by keurslagerkurt on Feb 5, 2021 13:58:43 GMT
Hate to bring the news, but for ppl living in the EU ordering from british dealers (so basically ordering some of the fabulous wonkystuff modules), there are quite some charges.
I bought the 40 Pound mm33 kit and the custom charges were 40 euros to Belgium. 18 euro's of that were for the handling at the border, 22 for the handling at the post office. I do however think these costs are flat as long as you stay under something like a 150 euro's. But even on a 100 euro order, 40 euros customs is still a lot ofc.
Hope they finish that trade agreement soon. Also want to make clear that this is no criticism or anything to Wonkystuff, they and namke made clear at the website that this could happen, and that information is scarce. Just figured i might take the bet after eyeing that module for so long 😉 but thought you all might want to know this.
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Post by danbowen on Feb 5, 2021 14:07:26 GMT
Hate to bring the news, but for ppl living in the EU ordering from british dealers (so basically ordering some of the fabulous wonkystuff modules), there are quite some charges. I bought the 40 Pound mm33 kit and the custom charges were 40 euros to Belgium. 18 euro's of that were for the handling at the border, 22 for the handling at the post office. I do however think these costs are flat as long as you stay under something like a 150 euro's. But even on a 100 euro order, 40 euros customs is still a lot ofc. Hope they finish that trade agreement soon. Also want to make clear that this is no criticism or anything to Wonkystuff, they and namke made clear at the website that this could happen, and that information is scarce. Just figured i might take the bet after eyeing that module for so long 😉 but thought you all might want to know this. My order arrived today from TW to the UK. €83. No tax paid at source and no tax or import charges paid in the UK. Far cheaper than buying from Juno.co.uk. Only ordered on the 19 Jan. Thank you Robert and team. Robert. I would check that your not supposed to collect tax. I would hate for you to get a tax bill some time in the future. |
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Post by namke on Feb 5, 2021 14:51:52 GMT
Hate to bring the news, but for ppl living in the EU ordering from british dealers (so basically ordering some of the fabulous wonkystuff modules), there are quite some charges. I bought the 40 Pound mm33 kit and the custom charges were 40 euros to Belgium. 18 euro's of that were for the handling at the border, 22 for the handling at the post office. I do however think these costs are flat as long as you stay under something like a 150 euro's. But even on a 100 euro order, 40 euros customs is still a lot ofc. Hope they finish that trade agreement soon. Also want to make clear that this is no criticism or anything to Wonkystuff, they and namke made clear at the website that this could happen, and that information is scarce. Just figured i might take the bet after eyeing that module for so long 😉 but thought you all might want to know this. I am going to investigate whether there is anything that I can do in this regard, it might be possible for me to pre-pay customs fees but that may only be with DHL (and that is already expensive with the £4.50 'Brexit Surcharge'  ) I'm afraid that this kind of bureaucratic nonsense makes me consider not shipping to Europe at all, since there is now a very uneven playing field (DHL is cheaper to post to the US a than the EU etc. etc.). I really appreciate all of the orders and the support, but this uncertainty and extra charges make me mad  |
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Post by tIB on Feb 6, 2021 9:12:19 GMT
Hate to bring the news, but for ppl living in the EU ordering from british dealers (so basically ordering some of the fabulous wonkystuff modules), there are quite some charges. I bought the 40 Pound mm33 kit and the custom charges were 40 euros to Belgium. 18 euro's of that were for the handling at the border, 22 for the handling at the post office. I do however think these costs are flat as long as you stay under something like a 150 euro's. But even on a 100 euro order, 40 euros customs is still a lot ofc. Hope they finish that trade agreement soon. Also want to make clear that this is no criticism or anything to Wonkystuff, they and namke made clear at the website that this could happen, and that information is scarce. Just figured i might take the bet after eyeing that module for so long 😉 but thought you all might want to know this. My order arrived today from TW to the UK. €83. No tax paid at source and no tax or import charges paid in the UK. Far cheaper than buying from Juno.co.uk. Only ordered on the 19 Jan. Thank you Robert and team. Robert. I would check that your not supposed to collect tax. I would hate for you to get a tax bill some time in the future. In theory anything under 135 pounds should come through without tax... I'm putting this theory to the test as I've put a little order through. I guess if that's the case multiple smaller orders are better than one big one. |
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Post by spacedog on Feb 6, 2021 11:48:45 GMT
My order arrived today from TW to the UK. €83. No tax paid at source and no tax or import charges paid in the UK. Far cheaper than buying from Juno.co.uk. Only ordered on the 19 Jan. Thank you Robert and team. Robert. I would check that your not supposed to collect tax. I would hate for you to get a tax bill some time in the future. In theory anything under 135 pounds should come through without tax... I'm putting this theory to the test as I've put a little order through. I guess if that's the case multiple smaller orders are better than one big one. To my reading of the HMRC guidance, that's not quite true, here's what I read:
"...all imported goods up to £135 in value liable for domestic VAT rather than Import VAT – thus shifting the point where VAT is collected from the time of importation to the time of supply to the customer." So, yes, items may well be appearing without appearing to attract VAT, but the sad truth is that anything (that isn't declared as exempt) will attract VAT, no matter from where you buy it. It's merely how the VAT is collected that has changed. It's the import duty that you're not paying.
For goods over that threshold, the courier will hold your goods to ransom, only handing them over upon payment of the VAT, import duty, and their handling fee. Of course, there has always been artistic license with the declared value
I'm willing to stand corrected, but this is how it reads to me. Frankly, it's a bit of a mess, with companies like Thomann struggling to work out how best to present pricing to UK customers. For the really interested, or insomniacs amongst us, here's the guidance. |
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Post by rockysmalls on Feb 6, 2021 11:54:24 GMT
My order arrived today from TW to the UK. €83. No tax paid at source and no tax or import charges paid in the UK. Far cheaper than buying from Juno.co.uk. Only ordered on the 19 Jan. Thank you Robert and team. Robert. I would check that your not supposed to collect tax. I would hate for you to get a tax bill some time in the future. In theory anything under 135 pounds should come through without tax... I'm putting this theory to the test as I've put a little order through. I guess if that's the case multiple smaller orders are better than one big one. unfortunately, as far as I can read it, the £135 threshold is just for ‘import duty’ .. VAT is due on everything .. though it is supposed to be collected by the EU source ,, and they are supposed to have registered with uk vat and include some code number on the customs form!! also the LVCR ( low value consignment relief ) has now disappeared.. so even things valued under £15 are now subject to vat.. ( this will also happen to the EU €22 threshold on july 1st , they have delayed revoking it.. it is an EU new directive that uk have kept but weirdly not delayed to help with the chaos!! ) the only way to get things through without the risk of customs delay, bureaucratic charge etc is to make it look like it’s between private citizens and mark it as ‘Gift’ with a low value.. into uk that threshold is £39 before vat is due .. into europe it is €45 before it's stopped for vat.. so essentially the only way to ensure speedy delivery is to act like sneaky criminals not so unusual for governments to force us down that road i guess.. i think the chaos and lack if clarity at the moment means it’s a lottery and many things are getting through overlooked... or the vat is presumed to be payed at source... wonder how long that will be the case. |
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Post by tIB on Feb 6, 2021 12:25:08 GMT
In theory anything under 135 pounds should come through without tax... I'm putting this theory to the test as I've put a little order through. I guess if that's the case multiple smaller orders are better than one big one. unfortunately, as far as I can read it, the £135 threshold is just for ‘import duty’ ..  VAT is due on everything .. though it is supposed to be collected by the EU source ,, and they are supposed to have registered with uk vat and include some code number on the customs form!!  also the LVCR ( low value consignment relief ) has now disappeared.. so even things valued under £15 are now subject to vat..  ( this will also happen to the EU €22 threshold on july 1st , they have delayed revoking it.. it is an EU new directive that uk have kept but weirdly not delayed to help with the chaos!! )  the only way to get things through without the risk of customs delay, bureaucratic charge etc is to make it look like it’s between private citizens and mark it as ‘Gift’ with a low value.. into uk that threshold is £39 before vat is due .. into europe it is €45 before it's stopped for vat.. so essentially the only way to ensure speedy delivery is to act like sneaky criminals  not so unusual for governments to force us down that road i guess.. i think the chaos and lack if clarity at the moment means it’s a lottery and many things are getting through overlooked...  or the vat is presumed to be payed at source...  wonder how long that will be the case. Ah I missunderstood - fingers crossed I win that little lottery! |
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Post by danbowen on Feb 6, 2021 13:07:21 GMT
My order was sent through Deutsche Post and delivered in the UK by royal mail so not a courier. Don't know if that makes a difference or not. It's marked as sale of goods and value €77. I worked out with postage it cost me £73. From Juno.co.uk it would of been £90.
Like I said before I hope Robert doesn't get stung with a tax bill.
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Post by spacedog on Feb 6, 2021 13:35:02 GMT
My order was sent through Deutsche Post and delivered in the UK by royal mail so not a courier. Don't know if that makes a difference or not. It's marked as sale of goods and value €77. I worked out with postage it cost me £73. From Juno.co.uk it would of been £90. Like I said before I hope Robert doesn't get stung with a tax bill. Royal Mail are a "courier", and do charge in the exactly the same way. They also charge a hefty admin fee, which can often outweigh the actual duty.
I've had many packages from the USA that could only be released for delivery upon paying the Robber Barons of the Royal Mail, and that includes Parcel Farce as well, who charge even more in admin fees, IMSC - and won't deliver on a Saturday without an even bigger additional fee. |
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Post by pt3r on Feb 6, 2021 13:46:55 GMT
Hate to bring the news, but for ppl living in the EU ordering from british dealers (so basically ordering some of the fabulous wonkystuff modules), there are quite some charges. I bought the 40 Pound mm33 kit and the custom charges were 40 euros to Belgium. 18 euro's of that were for the handling at the border, 22 for the handling at the post office. I do however think these costs are flat as long as you stay under something like a 150 euro's. But even on a 100 euro order, 40 euros customs is still a lot ofc. Hope they finish that trade agreement soon. Also want to make clear that this is no criticism or anything to Wonkystuff, they and namke made clear at the website that this could happen, and that information is scarce. Just figured i might take the bet after eyeing that module for so long 😉 but thought you all might want to know this. This is the exact reason that I don't order from UK dealers anymore. This is no hating on namke or wonkystuff, far from I love the modules you are making and I wish I had a matrix mixer and a couple of qvca's in my rack but I'm just not willing to line some governmental pockets. F**k Br***t!. |
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Post by danbowen on Feb 6, 2021 15:27:29 GMT
My order was sent through Deutsche Post and delivered in the UK by royal mail so not a courier. Don't know if that makes a difference or not. It's marked as sale of goods and value €77. I worked out with postage it cost me £73. From Juno.co.uk it would of been £90. Like I said before I hope Robert doesn't get stung with a tax bill. Royal Mail are a "courier", and do charge in the exactly the same way. They also charge a hefty admin fee, which can often outweigh the actual duty.
I've had many packages from the USA that could only be released for delivery upon paying the Robber Barons of the Royal Mail, and that includes Parcel Farce as well, who charge even more in admin fees, IMSC - and won't deliver on a Saturday without an even bigger additional fee. It's obviously very hit or miss. I didn't pay anything apart from €6 postage that TW applied. |
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Post by rockysmalls on Feb 6, 2021 16:01:03 GMT
unfortunately, as far as I can read it, the £135 threshold is just for ‘import duty’ .. VAT is due on everything .. though it is supposed to be collected by the EU source ,, and they are supposed to have registered with uk vat and include some code number on the customs form!! also the LVCR ( low value consignment relief ) has now disappeared.. so even things valued under £15 are now subject to vat.. ( this will also happen to the EU €22 threshold on july 1st , they have delayed revoking it.. it is an EU new directive that uk have kept but weirdly not delayed to help with the chaos!! ) the only way to get things through without the risk of customs delay, bureaucratic charge etc is to make it look like it’s between private citizens and mark it as ‘Gift’ with a low value.. into uk that threshold is £39 before vat is due .. into europe it is €45 before it's stopped for vat.. so essentially the only way to ensure speedy delivery is to act like sneaky criminals not so unusual for governments to force us down that road i guess.. i think the chaos and lack if clarity at the moment means it’s a lottery and many things are getting through overlooked... or the vat is presumed to be payed at source... wonder how long that will be the case. Ah I missunderstood - fingers crossed I win that little lottery! yes... let’s hope that the situation danbowen had continues for now ... I can’t see there being any fall out on Robert if Customs are presuming the VAT is payed at source... i would say that’s just an oversight on their part and maybe NOT stopping every single package to fill out paperwork is the only way they can keep from the sorting offices bursting like a ripe n ready spot |
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Post by tIB on Feb 15, 2021 15:16:25 GMT
Well I appear to have dodged the tax bullet, super! Order came far faster than I was expecting too, thanks Robert!
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Post by hardworking on Feb 16, 2021 15:14:32 GMT
No extra fees for my small order (to the UK) that just arrived. Value of order was around £60-£70.
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Post by dizzeesatchel on Jun 30, 2021 14:31:09 GMT
Has anyone placed a large order from TW to the UK since all this nonsense came into play? I have an order on the waitlist from earlier this month, total €97 so around 80ish quid. Just put in a second order for Cirrus (  !!) - under normal circumstances it would make sense to ask if it could be thrown in with the first order - even if it holds the whole thing up a little it makes more sense than Robert sending out two deliveries. But the combined value would then be €200+ so am I going to fall afoul of wild import duties etc?? Maybe it's more sensible to keep to two smaller deliveries?? Very hard to know what to expect with any of this. |
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Post by pol on Jun 30, 2021 16:10:08 GMT
Has anyone placed a large order from TW to the UK since all this nonsense came into play? I have an order on the waitlist from earlier this month, total €97 so around 80ish quid. Just put in a second order for Cirrus ( !!) - under normal circumstances it would make sense to ask if it could be thrown in with the first order - even if it holds the whole thing up a little it makes more sense than Robert sending out two deliveries. But the combined value would then be €200+ so am I going to fall afoul of wild import duties etc?? Maybe it's more sensible to keep to two smaller deliveries?? Very hard to know what to expect with any of this. probably easier on Robert's admin to leave as 2 orders, also going over the £130 limit you will pay tax/duty and attendant admin costs. Stay under £130 for EU shopping an you will be fine - I have done several orders since January with no problems at all. This is the the gov.uk website says..... People who have got stung for duty in the past, particularly the USA, haven't seen the limit before ordering and US companies rarely know about exporting so useless to ask them.... |
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!!) - under normal circumstances it would make sense to ask if it could be thrown in with the first order - even if it holds the whole thing up a little it makes more sense than Robert sending out two deliveries. But the combined value would then be €200+ so am I going to fall afoul of wild import duties etc?? Maybe it's more sensible to keep to two smaller deliveries?? Very hard to know what to expect with any of this. 