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Feb 18, 2021 22:12:00 GMT
Post by williamv on Feb 18, 2021 22:12:00 GMT
hello everyone am i right in thinking that you take an out from an lfo for example to a mult in and then do the other mults become outs to where ever you want to send them i hope you can help me thankyou in advance
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Post by admin on Feb 18, 2021 22:14:35 GMT
hello everyone am i right in thinking that you take an out from an lfo for example to a mult in and then do the other mults become outs to where ever you want to send them i hope you can help me thankyou in advance Yes, that is exactly how this works! |
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Post by andy on Feb 19, 2021 7:26:45 GMT
hello everyone am i right in thinking that you take an out from an lfo for example to a mult in and then do the other mults become outs to where ever you want to send them i hope you can help me thankyou in advance Also important to remember is never to use the mult to mix signals. |
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Post by MikMo on Feb 19, 2021 7:58:59 GMT
So only one input to a mult and MULTiple outputs from it!
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Feb 19, 2021 10:44:54 GMT
Post by williamv on Feb 19, 2021 10:44:54 GMT
thankyou very much to you all this is very helpful
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Feb 19, 2021 10:48:06 GMT
Post by williamv on Feb 19, 2021 10:48:06 GMT
hello everyone am i right in thinking that you take an out from an lfo for example to a mult in and then do the other mults become outs to where ever you want to send them i hope you can help me thankyou in advance Also important to remember is never to use the mult to mix signals. is it because it would cause damage |
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Post by andy on Feb 19, 2021 11:03:04 GMT
Also important to remember is never to use the mult to mix signals. is it because it would cause damage It might. I am not sure how each AE module is protected individually, but when you send two signals to a mult, you are adding them, and the sum can easily get over 5 volts, which poses a risk to other modules you take the output to. If you want to mix CV/clock signals (and you will sooner or later), you can use the 4-4 mixer, the B stage is good for this purpose, while the A is left for audio. Other modules can also mix CV (4ATT/Mix, POLAMIX, I don't have any of them yet though). |
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Feb 19, 2021 12:37:52 GMT
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Post by keurslagerkurt on Feb 19, 2021 12:37:52 GMT
is it because it would cause damage It might. I am not sure how each AE module is protected individually, but when you send two signals to a mult, you are adding them, and the sum can easily get over 5 volts, which poses a risk to other modules you take the output to. If you want to mix CV/clock signals (and you will sooner or later), you can use the 4-4 mixer, the B stage is good for this purpose, while the A is left for audio. Other modules can also mix CV (4ATT/Mix, POLAMIX, I don't have any of them yet though). It just wont work. I'm pretty sure that if you connect two 5V signals together which share the same ground, they will still just be 5V. The mult is passive (it's not an 'adder' circuit), so you can never get a signal out that's higher than your highest input. Long story short: don't be afraid, you cannot break anything with patching within the AE system. But you should not put multiple inputs in the mult because it won't work and it will influence your signals in 'unwanted' manners. |
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Post by andy on Feb 19, 2021 14:19:33 GMT
Oh, sorry, I didn't know that the mults are passive. Wouldn't it be like simply connecting outputs to outputs then? I'm often lurking on muffwiggler to look for info not already discussed here, and struggle to find a thread about using mults as a mixer without the keyword "smoke" coming up within the first five posts lol  |
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Post by keurslagerkurt on Feb 19, 2021 14:31:15 GMT
No sorry needed ofc  As far as I know, the mults in AE are simply connected patchpoints. Much like you would 'stack' cables in eurorack. So indeed, it would be like connecting output to output. IIRC all patch points in AE can be connected together without risks of burning anything, so everything is 'protected' enough for patching stuff 'wrong' within the AE system itself (ie output to output, input to input etc). The 0-5V of AE makes this ofc easier to manage in designs: there is no danger of 'wrong polarity' voltages, and also the voltage ranges are way smaller (5V max range compared to 24V with -12 <-> +12) creating less current when you connect a 5V signal to 0V etc. I think the 'problem' in Eurorack, is that you have so much different modules, companies, voltage ranges, etc that its very 'risky' to trust every single designer considering reverse voltage protection etc. Here it is pretty simple, we can just trust the fantastic, robust designs of Robert  (and namke ofc!) |
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Post by pt3r on Feb 19, 2021 15:47:40 GMT
The problem of course can be the diy modules, I made sure to protect my outputs with a diode because I don't want to find out what would happen if I send 5 volts into an output pin of my module. Perhaps nothing, i don't know I'm no electronics expert, but I spent too much time designing and building the damn thing that I don't want to run the risk of destroying something. Rather safe than sorry.
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Post by tIB on Feb 19, 2021 17:06:28 GMT
You can use the mults as a passive mixer - Robert mentioned it a while back when I was asking about whether it would be possible to convert some (into mixers). I forget how exactly but it's safe.
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Post by williamv on Feb 22, 2021 10:46:22 GMT
is it because it would cause damage It might. I am not sure how each AE module is protected individually, but when you send two signals to a mult, you are adding them, and the sum can easily get over 5 volts, which poses a risk to other modules you take the output to. If you want to mix CV/clock signals (and you will sooner or later), you can use the 4-4 mixer, the B stage is good for this purpose, while the A is left for audio. Other modules can also mix CV (4ATT/Mix, POLAMIX, I don't have any of them yet though). thankyou for that i do have a mixer module so happy days |
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