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Post by funbun on Sept 20, 2021 15:51:42 GMT
Sine the TBD will be programmable would it be possible to have firmware that can quantize in division of the octave other than 12? I want to get into xenharmonic music, but there isn't an AE quantizer capable as of yet. Could the TBD handle something like this?
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Post by visuellemusik on Sept 23, 2021 10:33:33 GMT
Sine the TBD will be programmable would it be possible to have firmware that can quantize in division of the octave other than 12? I want to get into xenharmonic music, but there isn't an AE quantizer capable as of yet. Could the TBD handle something like this? Hi funbun , yes in principle to use any CV-quantisation is no problem with the TBD. But you have to keep in mind that it's not aimed at giving out CV. So you either would have to implement the soundsource you are intending for your application as well, or you could try an experimental CV output via its audio-out, but I have not done that myself, yet. In more detail: the TBD's framework offers standard ways for reading CV/Trigger/Audio and giving out Audio. So if you want to use CV out you would loose the option to give out audio for that plugin.
Also, normally, in contrast to tangible wave's programmable GRAINS module you normally would not modify the firmware itself, but add a plugin with your application to it. So if audio-out then is used as CV out, this might be puzzeling for other users, in case you want to redistribute your creation? In terms of the TBD's hardware design it also might be tricky to do proper CV out, because the hardware-codec used is aimed at audio, so in contrast to the CV input afaik there is no calibration intended by the framework. So in result you would have to do that in your plugin as well, for instance via sliders on the Webinterface and save the calibration as a preset. But again: all this is kind of theoretical speculation and would have to be tried out in praxis ;-)
BTW: Another, maybe easier alternative would be to use tangible waves' GRAINS for this. I did some experimentation with CV output which worked quite alright, but tbh, did not intend / try out proper intonation, but only generated kind of 'funny' LFO signals.
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Post by pt3r on Sept 23, 2021 11:29:01 GMT
The GRAINS module is not good a outputting stable discrete voltages, it basically uses PWM to generate its output.
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Post by funbun on Sept 23, 2021 16:57:50 GMT
So, we really need a dedicated micro-macro-xenharmonic quantizer?
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Post by keurslagerkurt on Sept 23, 2021 20:47:48 GMT
Hmmm, or maybe to have a plugin that is a 'quantized synth'? Like it outputs audio, but the incoming pitch CV is also quantized/mapped to a certain scale?
Synth and quantizer in one!
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Post by admin on Sept 23, 2021 21:05:24 GMT
Hmmm, or maybe to have a plugin that is a 'quantized synth'? Like it outputs audio, but the incoming pitch CV is also quantized/mapped to a certain scale? Synth and quantizer in one! The TBD can do this, or at least be programmed to do it. |
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Post by visuellemusik on Sept 24, 2021 10:30:41 GMT
Hi funbun, hi pt3r, in addition to what I wrote I received a comment by Robert Manzke, the creator of the original TBD, stating the following: CV out via the audio-output will not work, because audio IO is AC-coupled.
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Post by visuellemusik on Sept 24, 2021 10:48:20 GMT
Hmmm, or maybe to have a plugin that is a 'quantized synth'? Like it outputs audio, but the incoming pitch CV is also quantized/mapped to a certain scale? Synth and quantizer in one! The TBD can do this, or at least be programmed to do it. Yes indeed, there are some plugins available offering various ways of pitch-quantisation, including the following: Bjorklund, Karpuskl, Formantor, Freakwaves, and VctrSnt
Formantor, Karpuskl and VctrSnt only offer chromatic scale-correction, whereas Bjorklund and Freakwaves include various scales to choose from. Karpuskl yet offers the playing of polyphonic chords inpired by the so-called Stradella method as to be found with Akkordeons. Distributed among 5 octaves for each octave another type of chord (major, minor,...) can be played, the chord's notes then also are pitch-quantized. The root-key simply is determined by the key pressed per octave - or more precicely actually of course by the (optionally quantized) CV coming in.
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Post by robertlanger on Sept 24, 2021 12:49:40 GMT
IMO, the "CV counterpart" of TBD is Ornament & Crime; we will port this to AE too in the near future. O&C is able to the xenharmonic stuff as I found in the changelog; see here: ornament-and-cri.me/firmware-changelog/ section "Changes between v1.2 and v1.3.0" says: " Common to CopierMaschine, Quantermain, Meta-Q, Sequins: - addition of a large number of microtonal and xen-harmonic scales. . the value for each note in the scale/mask editor is now displayed in cents (1200 cents per octave) instead of in the internal format (1536 values per octave)" |
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Post by dizzeesatchel on Sept 24, 2021 14:55:58 GMT
IMO, the "CV counterpart" of TBD is Ornament & Crime; we will port this to AE too in the near future  ! |
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Post by funbun on Sept 25, 2021 11:44:07 GMT
IMO, the "CV counterpart" of TBD is Ornament & Crime; we will port this to AE too in the near future. SWEET! AE o_C! That's the one I should wait for. Here's a list of scales available in o_C: ornament-and-cri.me/predefined_scales/Looking at the o_C manual now: Wow! This is good! This is the module I should wait for. |
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