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Post by despairbear on Jan 26, 2020 10:04:10 GMT
Hey all,
Just curious if anyone else has the issue of getting quite a bit of noise/hiss from the AE system. I've noticed the 4ATTMIX is particularly noisy (and the pots are also quite loud when turning) but even with any other output I seem to get quite a lot of noise and have to use a moderate amount of gain to get AE to be used alongside more traditional synthesizers.
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Post by robertlanger on Jan 26, 2020 11:10:34 GMT
Hmmm, the signal levels in AE are not so low (3V p-p), but of course less than Eurorack... Could you give a patch example where you encounter noise?
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Post by Lugia on Jan 27, 2020 1:35:50 GMT
These suckaz are ferrite chokes. Basically, a magnetic material which can be placed onto various cables (like power, which is usually a prime offender in audio situations) by wrapping 2-3 turns through the core, which tends to prevent loads of induced and other sorts of noise from getting into devices. Some wallwarts these days come with these; look for a lump in the DC line near the power connector for the device. That's a ferrite.
To use them is really super-simple: wrap a few turns of the offending cable through the ferrite's core within a few inches of the unit-end connector, then in the case of these DX Engineering ones I linked to above, you'll snap the ferrite closed with the turns of cable in place. Easy-peasy. On a DC cable, the ferrite will block higher-frequency RF garbage from getting into the device it connects to, and this garbage can either be from a switching DC supply (typical for wallwarts), induced from external sources (such as being located near a radio transmitter or RF crud leaking from a computer component), or both. And blocking this crud tends to lower noise floors in affected devices dramatically. You see their use in amateur radio quite often, as ham ops need major noise suppression in order to hear weak signals as effectively as possible, but they also turn up in audio applications for exactly the same reasons...especially with digital recording, where you don't have surface noise, etc to help hide noise issues from equipment.
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Post by slowscape on Jan 27, 2020 16:22:37 GMT
I've also encountered noise, but on the MIXER 4-4. The hiss I've found usually comes from having the noise module plugged in anywhere along the line, weather it's actively in use or not. Unplugging it removes the subtle noise for me.
Two of my four pots also have a (much louder) fuzz to them if touched or turned.
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Post by spacedog on Jan 27, 2020 18:03:57 GMT
I've also encountered noise, but on the MIXER 4-4. The hiss I've found usually comes from having the noise module plugged in anywhere along the line, weather it's actively in use or not. Unplugging it removes the subtle noise for me.
Two of my four pots also have a (much louder) fuzz to them if touched or turned.
Edit: To be fair, I didn't properly address your actual point, which is more about hiss/noise within the AE Modular and my response below is more about noise external to the AE Modular. The response below stands as a response to the wider question; however, your problem could be more about joints on boards and/or connections. Taking some boards out, and maybe even moving them around to hear if the problem changes or disappears is worth a try. Also, does it disappear (or change) when you "earth" via an audio lead (if you have the headphone amp you can listen with and without the external audio connection). The fact that touching some pots produces different effects suggests that it could be a board- or position-related issue. Original Post:I'll caveat this post with a note that I am no expert. However, having been forced to solve buzzing and humming on many occasions, in home studios and live, I have found a few things that work. When we're interacting with the AE Modular we're really quite close to the electronics. We're also dealing with a system that uses non-conducting (i.e. non-shielding) cases and module front plates. Finally, the PSU isn't grounded (well, mine isn't). So, this means that the 0V (or "earth") reference is completely internal to the modular. So, when we connect it to something outside of its own world, there is every chance that the "earth" is not the same, hence voltage difference and current, which means buzz/hum. Even our fingers can represent an "earth" depending upon how we're connected to the world and various systems around us. That lack of shielding, and our physcial proximity to the electronics can all add up to hum generators getting close to electronics just waiting to pick it up. There are many things to try to get rid of annoying buzz/hum. Sometimes one thing works well, sometimes it's a combination, and of course sometimes nothing seems to work. Here are a few things that have sorted me out nicely. Before you start, try moving equipment around. It could be that you've put your AE Modular right next to a total hum generator, such as some lights, amps etc. Try also moving power cables for all pieces of nearby equipment around - remember to be listening all the time. First, and this is simple, plug everything into the same socket/extension lead. It's amazing how effective this can be. Second, try some different leads. It's amazing how what we think is a perfect lead (as it's brand new) is actually causing the problem. Third, try putting something that breaks multiple ground connections between the AE Modular and your monitoring/recording - I have used many Behringer MICROHD Hum Destroyers (HD400), which is a pair of isolation transformers. OK, these really work for me, especially if you can connect with TRS leads to TRS connections on the other side (i.e. non-AE Modular) of the unit. I do use these between my mixer outputs and my audio card inputs and they immediately solve my noisy recordings. My audio interface has TRS inputs, so that works nicely. You can also use those ferrite chokes, which can be cheaper, I was just lucky with the transformers. Running through those things fixes most problems and you can stop as soon as you fix it, which might cost you nothing. Personally, having one of those Behringer units can get you out of almost any problem and if you're venturing on stage a DI box may also get you out of further trouble.
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Post by Lugia on Jan 27, 2020 22:52:28 GMT
I definitely endorse the use of isolation transformers on audio lines, too! They fix a host of issues...noise, hum, other forms of crud...AND you can overdrive them a bit for a little saturation to beef up sounds when needed. Probably one of the handiest devices we can get over here in the USA is this: www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/HE8--ebtech-he-8-8-channel-hum-eliminator-rack These Ebtech units are sort of the "gold standard" for basic transformer isolation; you can get more esoteric than these, sure, but that can cost more and those solutions aren't as easily available. But isolation transformers ALSO deal with noise signals incoming on output lines (yep, that can happen) that can get into things and screw with the operation of a device.
Ultimately, chasing audio garbage in a studio is a never-ending task. Digital audio, with its extra-low noise floor, has many of the same "e-smog" issues found in communications electronics, and that garbage profile is constantly in flux. All it takes is your neighbor installing some RFI-spewing bargain-basement LED lightbulbs, and hey, presto -- you've got a whole new problem!
The Holy Trinity of noise solutions in the studio are star grounding, shielding, and isolation. They all work in tandem to correct a load of problems, but you have to be quite rigorous about implementing _all three_ with the same veracity. And this is definitely a "must-fix-yourself" thing; I don't know of ANY studio setup that can work perfectly as far as noise issues go without these noise control implementations at some level or another.
EDIT: One other thing that fits into noise mitigation: the wonderful products made by THESE GUYS: caig.com/ Contact issues are another source of crud, but DeOxit makes those easy to deal with.
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