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Post by young Protoboard on Mar 14, 2020 4:15:52 GMT
Hi, folks, I've been toiling in the background, not saying much here for the past several weeks. Most of this work has been not very exciting for spectators, such as tweaking feature placement on .DXF files for laser cutting front panels on my university campus, and selecting stock material for the same. Attempt #2 (and thus depleting my project budget for the month) will center around this "1/16 inch" thick MDF (wood-based) that actually measures ~1.8 mm instead of the desired OEM AEM 1.5mm. Preliminary tests were cut from 3mm clear acrylic shop cutoffs, and attempt #1 used "1/16 inch" but actually 1.2 mm paper chipboard (like a crappier, larger-particle MDF, basically).
Prelim and attempt #1, sitting on attempt #2 stock:
All demo videos for my DIY modules are actually waiting on front panels; I'm not comfortable throwing a bare-wire, naked module onto my main synth because the possibility of a loose patch cable end touching something it shouldn't. So, once the lab tech comes back to work and runs the laser cutter (they don't let students play with the big toys alone), I'll be able to rig up some patches and spit out some demos.
I've also been advancing a few different module designs. Work is progressing on a few rudimentary modules that possess interesting design challenges (I'm excited to get into this, once my Clock Counter module is finished), as well as some more experimental circuits. Here's a quick video of a quite simple experimental LFO:
My apologies for the poor audio; this is my second video recorded on my cell phone for public consumption, ever.
It takes some hunting to find the interesting sections, as it's not fully built yet. In this example, the mostly-complete circuit is driving the pitch of a triangle VCO for audio demonstration purposes. An LED displaying CV level is visible-- many thanks to robertlanger for clearing up my (embarrassingly rudimentary) questions on his LED driver.
I'll get more into it once it's finished, but basically this circuit is two op-amp VCLFO triangle waves cross-modulating each other (FM). CV inputs on each are buffered by a summing amplifier that receives a DC offset (blue knob) and an attenuated cross-modulation signal (red and yellow knobs). Since this video I've added LED indicators on the square wave outputs of the op-amp LFOs, and I'm excited to say that this module will have both some interesting CV and GATE outputs.
I love you all!
yPb
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Post by admin on Mar 14, 2020 4:19:39 GMT
Wow, this all looks awesome! I'm looking forward to the finished modules! I like the idea of transparent front panels, although it might be a bit hard to read the inscriptions.
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Post by young Protoboard on Mar 14, 2020 5:00:04 GMT
I like the idea of transparent front panels, although it might be a bit hard to read the inscriptions. Just for you <3 The SC/OFF is the better-lined-up of the two panels I have had made: (Apparently, in this first trial version, I located the pot holes (heh) a little too high.) I imagine painting the etched wording with a dark ink or paint would be easy, if needed. Personally, the anxiety increase from looking at my own crammed soldering job makes it a no-go. The through-hole aesthetic is a cool color splash, though. Now, if these panels were a frosted, translucent acrylic, and some colored LEDs were placed behind the panels... painted-in numbers would be quite visible, AND you get a light show. Hmm... If I didn't have vision issues, I would definitely be considering modifying my AEM for just that.
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Post by admin on Mar 14, 2020 5:05:19 GMT
That looks great! Now we should petition robertlanger to sell the extra high patch connectors which I think he has specially made in China.
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Post by young Protoboard on Mar 14, 2020 5:26:34 GMT
I second that motion; I'd buy a few hundred as soon as they hit the store. (As long as they aren't priced like the RV09 AEM pots at Mouser, like, what??? It's quite the song and dance to find the exact component at a price I can afford, and I certainly can't afford and won't pay $1+ for a plastic pot that I can bulk purchase from China at 8 cents apiece. But I digress.) I think that the issue here is exaggerated, though, as the acrylic panel is twice as thick as the AEM face plates, as well as resting on the case rather than the standoffs. Fingers crossed for final printing.
But in addition to the height, there's the issue with fit. I LOVE the AEM sockets and patch cables; they make a secure, reliable connection every time (likely due to the tapered collar around the base of the pin) and withdraw with minimal friction. Every "standard" female pin header I've tried is too tight on the larger-than-breadboard-cable pin shafts, and the electrical contact surface begins too far down into the socket to reliably contact. Shoving those shiny plated pins with force into those cheap sockets, and heaving them out like I'm trying to become the King of Britain makes me grimace every time.
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Post by young Protoboard on Mar 14, 2020 5:42:45 GMT
AND DON'T GET ME STARTED ON THE TOGGLE SWITCHES Oh, man... I've bought three different, unique toggle switches. In bulk. The first were too short. The second had just barely long enough legs, but the slider tab was too short. The third had a long enough slider, but the legs are too short. I'm at my wit's end with these switches. Every stab in the dark takes five to six weeks to get here (current global pandemic excluded), and leaves me with $5-8 fewer dollars and a heaping pile of sadness. At this point in time I am, in fact, deliberately not designing any module that requires a manual switch because of the issue. robertlanger Reveal your supply secrets or we will bury you in piles of inapplicable circuitry components.
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Post by NightMachines on Mar 14, 2020 8:58:41 GMT
Sweet! Once you’re done, it would be awesome if you built a few experimental LFO modules and offered them for sale
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Post by robertlanger on Mar 14, 2020 15:25:42 GMT
... robertlanger Reveal your supply secrets or we will bury you in piles of inapplicable circuitry components. OMG, ok ok... please don't do this - you get what you want!!! Seriously: We are preparing a "DIY initiative" for AE modular that gets public soon; part of this will be the availabliity of all special components for an appropriate price. I'm really happy to see all the DIYing going on with AE and I totally support this!
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Post by young Protoboard on Mar 14, 2020 20:03:55 GMT
Sweet! Once you’re done, it would be awesome if you built a few experimental LFO modules and offered them for sale I'd really enjoy that! I never imagined that there would be any demand for a homemade module... But: We are preparing a "DIY initiative" for AE modular that gets public soon; part of this will be the availabliity of all special components for an appropriate price. Once these components are available, and I can make a clean, functional, "truly compatible" module (pin headers being the main culprit) that I'm proud to sell, I will definitely do this. That is, if Robert doesn't mind the "reselling" of those components in assembled form... Not sure of any legal supplier/reselling issues regarding this, but all in due time, I suppose. And Robert, thank you so much for doing this!
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Post by young Protoboard on Mar 16, 2020 19:36:53 GMT
My University (USA) has just cancelled all on-campus living arrangements and is locking down campus due to COVID-19, so laser-cut panels may fall by the wayside until summer comes.
In the meantime, I suppose I'll have to do an old-school layout on the MDF-- calipers, a pencil, a compass, a drill and a hacksaw. Good thing I enjoy working with hand tools!
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Post by Tom on Mar 18, 2020 23:43:36 GMT
... robertlanger Reveal your supply secrets or we will bury you in piles of inapplicable circuitry components. OMG, ok ok... please don't do this - you get what you want!!! Seriously: We are preparing a "DIY initiative" for AE modular that gets public soon; part of this will be the availabliity of all special components for an appropriate price. I'm really happy to see all the DIYing going on with AE and I totally support this! Amazing, Robert! I can't wait..
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Post by young Protoboard on Mar 22, 2020 17:21:09 GMT
This week I learned that just because one CAN fit 3 ICs and seven pots into a 2U module, doesn't mean one SHOULD: ...not with THT components on Protoboard, anyways. Fortunately, it worked first try; no troubleshooting needed.
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Post by rodney on Mar 22, 2020 19:50:14 GMT
such a relief when it just works. every connection increases the possibility of failure.
congratulations! Inspires me to get building again.
We are a bit short on space now everyone is home in the apartment, driving each other crazy for the foreseeable future. The garage doesn't have electricity, unfortunately, so I'm limited to hand and battery-power down there (and I've managed to totally fill the space with stuff).
Remember folks, lock-down time is synth time!
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Post by young Protoboard on Mar 22, 2020 21:09:23 GMT
such a relief when it just works. every connection increases the possibility of failure.
congratulations! Inspires me to get building again. This build has 40 resistors and an estimated 40 jumper wires. Many desperate prayers were said over the past ~20 build hours, but lemme tell ya-- I'm a lot more confident in my precision- and tight-space-soldering skills. I'm glad to have inspired you! Fortunately I've had dedicated space for DIY and by AEM for a while now... in my bedroom, lol. My laundry might smell like solder flux but it sure is easy to knock out some DIY modules.
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Post by young Protoboard on Mar 22, 2020 21:25:16 GMT
I hacked out some rough draft front panels out of the ~1.2 mm thick chipboard. A sharp hobby/razor/X-acto knife (what's the international name?) cuts through this stuff in a few strokes. I reckon they'll get a base coat of paint and some lettering; a dozen or so model paints are at my disposal, but I don't have a plan for decoration or anything outside of the simple, practical AEM aesthetic. That's the SC/OFF, which I only realized today that I can make a dual module with the addition of a mere two pots. As one would expect from a composite paper material, my 1/4" (close to 7mm; my drill index is, sadly, inch fractional) spade bit prefers to rip rather than cut through the chipboard. A backing surface prevents this on the back side. If one could accurately drill through a three-layer sandwich of this stuff, the middle would cut cleanly. Not in possession of the clamping, stable and level work surface, and precision drill (my drill chuck has at least 10 thou of runout), I opted to simply clean the holes as best I could with my X-acto knife.
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Post by Lugia on Mar 23, 2020 0:55:53 GMT
Should be able to achieve a much better result...cleaner, more exact.
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Post by young Protoboard on Mar 23, 2020 7:09:43 GMT
Should be able to achieve a much better result...cleaner, more exact.
Oh, sure. I'm just broke until April. I've been thinking about building an auto-centering manual punch much like those but I can't access the lathe in the campus labs anymore. I think I'd also need to work on my precision in laying out the front panels. Each is different due to the style of Protoboard I'm using, which is being phased out for larger panels cut down to allow for full hole coverage on the whole board. Having a standardized location for the input, output, and pot holes will make creating jigs and custom layouts much easier. Currently, all of those board components shuffle around a bit depending on which section of Protoboard stock I use. With paint and a ballpoint pen, they're just the right kind of crappy to love, IMO: Pros: -fast and easy to produce -minimal power tool usage -protects underlying circuitry -provides needed usage information to the user Cons: -paint flecks off with the scrape of a fingernail -my thumb is coated in white paint -contact with any amount of water makes panel material swell like a dehydrated sponge -not sturdy enough to survive contact with enemy forces friends who love to use your modular and smash their gorilla hands into it -looks like a 12-year-old's rushed-deadline art project I think these will do well enough until I get a precision drawing done of the effective portions of these (can't access my Solidworks files for dimensions because... labs are closed) front panels-- I've found that it's a lot easier to tweak an existing thing rather than build it from scratch.
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Post by young Protoboard on Mar 23, 2020 7:17:04 GMT
ALSO: This stuff cost $6 USD for 30 sheets that fit 6U of panels each, which figures to less than four cents USD per 1U. At 4 cents each and 20 minutes of work, I'm content enough with the end product. I think this stuff will make a lot of different mock-ups very useful; I have stand-alone synth and AE-centric controllers in the works which need housing, and this stuff is CHEAP.
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Post by young Protoboard on Mar 24, 2020 2:02:20 GMT
MDF, as it turns out, cuts like butter and drills just as nice (although my bit wandered through this stuff like a drunk donkey in a field of mud). It has some tendency to pill up like the chipboard and other paper products, but it cuts much finer and easier with a bladed tool. I didn't erase the construction lines before this photo. Also obvious is the wandering placement of those two pot holes; the stuff is so soft to cut through that any non-orthogonal force makes that bit sail slowly across the workpiece. ~0.5mm deviation with the pilot hole and ~0.5mm with the full bore means that I'm not laser-accurate and need to use a larger (7mm) hole than the (6mm) AEM face plates. I hope my hand-chiseling via X-acto knife on the square holes is to the viewer's liking.
Due to the increased thickness, these MDF front panels are even stiffer than the AEM.
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Post by young Protoboard on Mar 24, 2020 3:25:17 GMT
Rustic paint and ballpoint pen, as before. It is apparent by my line work that I am neither a graphic designer nor artist nor sober. I think this concludes the front panel updates for now. Everything DIY will get one of these handmade MDF panels until I can wield that sweet laser once again; it's a bit disappointing to not be able to show off my flashy, new, laser-cut panels, but that's the least of our COVID-related issues right now. Until that time comes, these should do just fine. Experimental LFO writeup is coming soon. Cheers!
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Post by MikMo on Mar 24, 2020 19:06:24 GMT
Predrill hole with a small (2mm) drill first to avoid the larger drillbit skating all over.
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Post by young Protoboard on Mar 24, 2020 19:43:32 GMT
Predrill hole with a small (2mm) drill first to avoid the larger drillbit skating all over. Thanks for the tip! Beat you to it: ~0.5mm deviation with the pilot hole and ~0.5mm with the full bore Even with a proper-sized pilot hole (sized to the spade point) my spade bits wander. It's more an issue with hole geometry (too shallow to start a self-guiding cut) and softness of the material (the unsharpened flutes will remove material from the sides), plus a gearless hand drill with no speed control and a rickety table on a rotting wooden balcony for workpiece support that causes the wandering. I could literally mill this stuff with my depth-drilling bits and my hand drill; that's how much give this material has. There is NOTHING holding the tip of my bit in place as my hand drill spins up like a jet engine. Also, that chuck has 0.010" of runout. Using my hand drill is like trying to shoot a moving target and I hate it. I'm saving up for an entry-level light-duty drill press, which should eliminate all of my "blame the tool" excuses.
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Post by rodney on Mar 25, 2020 4:56:17 GMT
With spade bits, you might get less wandering if you have some fairly firm wood underneath the MDF you are drilling. then, the pointy part of the spade bit pokes through the pilot hole into the tougher wood underneath and, hopefully, stays there a bit betterer.
Also, you can buy a sealing coat to put on MDF to discourage moisture from getting in and embiggening the material. I am tempted to dismantle my AE boxes and re-coat them, at least inside as I suspect that Sydney, Oz delivers up more humidity than southern Germany in Summer (in LA or Pheonix?, nah, don't worry about it, in fact just leave it outside).
I have yet to try cutting the MDF blank panels that came with my AE kit. I'd better practice on something less precious first. I was thinking to use a Dremel but a good blade might be better.
The acrylic looks fun though. I have a laser and enough parts to make an x/y rig for it but I think it's probably too wussy for anything more than thin card. In theory, lots of repeated cuts with a weak laser might do the trick but I doubt that in reality.
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Post by young Protoboard on Mar 25, 2020 23:37:35 GMT
Also, you can buy a sealing coat to put on MDF to discourage moisture from getting in and embiggening the material. I am tempted to dismantle my AE boxes and re-coat them, at least inside as I suspect that Sydney, Oz delivers up more humidity than southern Germany in Summer (in LA or Pheonix?, nah, don't worry about it, in fact just leave it outside).
I have yet to try cutting the MDF blank panels that came with my AE kit. I'd better practice on something less precious first. I was thinking to use a Dremel but a good blade might be better.
The acrylic looks fun though. I have a laser and enough parts to make an x/y rig for it but I think it's probably too wussy for anything more than thin card. In theory, lots of repeated cuts with a weak laser might do the trick but I doubt that in reality.
Do you have a recommended sealant? I don't have much familiarity with wood products. Sealing should take place before painting? Or after? Both? I suppose it might depend on one's paint... Hmm... Cutting AEM module blanks would indeed be pricey, although the matching color scheme would be nice. I'm not sure about availability in Sydney but I bought my MDF stock from Amazon, and it comes out to under 25 cents USD per U, If I recall my arithmetic correctly. I'd love to find the AEM blue-grey in a spray can somewhere, but sadly I don't think a home-gamer like me can pull off the silk-screening or whatever smooth labeling Robert applies. Precise Dremel work would do just fine for cutting and even be faster than a blade, if you've got the steadiness for it. What's the power rating of your laser? You'd be surprised what you can cut if you compensate well enough for a wide, ugly, sloped kerf and nail your laser feeds and speeds down.
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Post by rodney on Mar 29, 2020 3:56:26 GMT
Robert's secret sauce for the text labels is a special rubber stamp for each module type and some really sticky paint that stays on.
Not sure about sealants. I'll probably ask the local hardware store since I'm at home full time now.
I'll be cutting and drilling soon so might have tips (or anti-tips!) to share.
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