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Post by 101 on Jul 8, 2019 20:08:36 GMT
Great to see the TOPOGRAF and the new drum modules are in the shop. But I quite like my Snares and Bass drums made using the 2ENV. So my question for Robert is: Will TOPOGRAF trigger the 2ENV?
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Post by bahm on Jul 8, 2019 20:21:30 GMT
Good question. I hope they can trigger everything. My thoughts are why should thy send something else than other modules like the triq?
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Post by admin on Jul 8, 2019 21:48:38 GMT
This module is an adaptation of Mutable Instruments' Grid. It is a 3 channel rhythm sequencer in which different patterns are organised in a 2 dimensional matrix which can be navigated with the X and y knobs. A chaos knob adds interesting variations and individual knobs add extra fills per channel. For more info and purchasing see the page in the online shop: www.tangiblewaves.com/store/p76/TOPOGRAF.html |
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Post by Thorsten Meyer on Jul 9, 2019 5:48:42 GMT
An excellent Grids build in AE Modular format. Robert build an outstanding adaption of the Mutable Instruments Grids. Also they price is way lower than I personally expected, for Eurorack even DYI Modules are at double price compared to the TOPOGRAF)
Finally AE Modular drum section will never be the same again…
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Post by spacedog on Jul 9, 2019 10:40:54 GMT
I will admit that drums don't set my world alight, mainly as I can do it elsewhere... of course, perhaps with a bigger setup (or even a split system), I may do more, and live I can see the advantage. However, when I did watch some YouTube videos about Grids, I got a bit more excited in terms of my sequencing setup. Here are a couple that are useful, especially the second one: Mutable Instruments Grids 1/2: Basic OperationMutable Instruments Grids 2/2: Advanced SettingsThere are many more out there, it would appear that this is a most useful module  |
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Post by 101 on Jul 9, 2019 10:48:36 GMT
Not sure whether TOPOGRAF can trigger anything other than the bass and drum modules, except perhaps the LOPAG or the 2ENV set in trigger mode?. Might have to wait for the videos!
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Post by admin on Jul 9, 2019 10:52:39 GMT
Not sure whether TOPOGRAF can trigger anything other than the bass and drum modules, except perhaps the LOPAG or the 2ENV set in trigger mode?. Might have to wait for the videos! If it sends a trigger then it can trigger anything that accepts a trigger or clock. So you can send it to envelope (in trigger mode), but also to S&H and and also use it as a clock for SEQ16 and even TRIQ164. I'm sure you can also send it to the DIVIDER and into the LOGIC and OR modules! So it's full of potential for much more than just triggering drums. |
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Post by admin on Jul 9, 2019 11:04:00 GMT
I will admit that drums don't set my world alight, mainly as I can do it elsewhere... of course, perhaps with a bigger setup (or even a split system), I may do more, and live I can see the advantage. However, when I did watch some YouTube videos about Grids, I got a bit more excited in terms of my sequencing setup. Here are a couple that are useful, especially the second one: Mutable Instruments Grids 1/2: Basic OperationMutable Instruments Grids 2/2: Advanced SettingsThere are many more out there, it would appear that this is a most useful module That second video at around 4:25 ... And now it becomes a EUCLIDEAN STEP SEQUENCER !!!! Wooot! This is awesome! For anyone who doesn't know what Euclidean sequences are: |
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Post by 101 on Jul 9, 2019 11:37:31 GMT
Not sure whether TOPOGRAF can trigger anything other than the bass and drum modules, except perhaps the LOPAG or the 2ENV set in trigger mode?. Might have to wait for the videos! If it sends a trigger then it can trigger anything that accepts a trigger or clock. So you can send it to envelope (in trigger mode), but also to S&H and and also use it as a clock for SEQ16 and even TRIQ164. I'm sure you can also send it to the DIVIDER and into the LOGIC and OR modules! So it's full of potential for much more than just triggering drums. Careck your not helping my module GAS. Being able to trigger the SEQ16 would be very cool  It's just that I've read GRIDS having some issues triggering inputs expecting a gate signal. |
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Post by NightMachines on Jul 9, 2019 11:50:02 GMT
If it sends a trigger then it can trigger anything that accepts a trigger or clock. So you can send it to envelope (in trigger mode), but also to S&H and and also use it as a clock for SEQ16 and even TRIQ164. I'm sure you can also send it to the DIVIDER and into the LOGIC and OR modules! So it's full of potential for much more than just triggering drums. Careck your not helping my module GAS. Being able to trigger the SEQ16 would be very cool It's just that I've read GRIDS having some issues triggering inputs expecting a gate signal. This is regarding the Eurorack module though. In Eurorack there are modules that send 5V triggers or gates for example, but also ones that send up to 10V. On the other side, certain envelopes, etc. require gates/triggers above 5V, so there can be (rare) compatibility issues. In AE Modular I would not expect this behavior, as there is currently just Robert making modules and not hundreds of manufacturers with different signal range philosophies. EDIT: also in AE Modular we only have a maximum voltage of 5V, which pretty much all ICs and microprocessors can output easily. In Eurorack, a 5V Arduino output for example, needs to be scaled up to 10V externally, driving complexity and cost up. |
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Post by rockysmalls on Jul 9, 2019 11:53:00 GMT
I will admit that drums don't set my world alight, mainly as I can do it elsewhere... of course, perhaps with a bigger setup (or even a split system), I may do more, and live I can see the advantage. However, when I did watch some YouTube videos about Grids, I got a bit more excited in terms of my sequencing setup. Here are a couple that are useful, especially the second one: Mutable Instruments Grids 1/2: Basic OperationMutable Instruments Grids 2/2: Advanced SettingsThere are many more out there, it would appear that this is a most useful module at last.... polyrhythms!!!!!!! much like spacedog I’m trying to keep my AE for ‘other’ duties than drum machine stuff. but the euclidian setting switch is exactly what i am after for polyrhythmic sequences and other off centre stuff... just to confirm... robertlanger ( or admin even ) this is the full program with the ‘hold the tap tempo button down’ settings adjustments? fingers crossed the answer is yes... it’s huge if so... and well worth the €65 entry price.. phenomenal! robertlanger ,, I’m guessing this is why the ‘bee in yr bonnet’ about making the Triq164 polyrhythmic flew away to find some fresh pollen elsewhere? ;-) |
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Post by rockysmalls on Jul 9, 2019 11:56:13 GMT
If it sends a trigger then it can trigger anything that accepts a trigger or clock. So you can send it to envelope (in trigger mode), but also to S&H and and also use it as a clock for SEQ16 and even TRIQ164. I'm sure you can also send it to the DIVIDER and into the LOGIC and OR modules! So it's full of potential for much more than just triggering drums. Careck your not helping my module GAS. Being able to trigger the SEQ16 would be very cool It's just that I've read GRIDS having some issues triggering inputs expecting a gate signal. in the video (2nd one) there is an extra setting to switch it from trigger output to gate output... .. or are you saying people have had problems with this setting not working as expected? any road,,, I for one will ‘suck it and see’. as the expression goes. |
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Post by rockysmalls on Jul 9, 2019 12:09:13 GMT
ah! i see in the shop description that it says “ it is 100% idetical (sic) to GRIDS “ A TYPOGRAPHICAL error in the TOPOGRAPHICAL sequencer! very nice! robertlanger , you need the old proof reader back on the job ;-) but also, i think, answers the question about ALL the functions being there.. |
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Post by rockysmalls on Jul 9, 2019 12:49:44 GMT
 here’s the cheat sheet for the extra settings when you hold down the TAP button for a second or two.. they really open up the possibilities of this module.. AE stands for Added Excitement .. edit: this cheat sheet is slightly out of date... there is now a setting on that third sequencer knob where you can set the Chaos knob from adding random fills in the sequencer to setting ‘swing’ .. the swing only works on the internal clock tempo sequencer and not for any cv input.. similar to the other settings. all LEDs off = chaos , all LEDs on = swing .. |
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Post by dmoney2000 on Jul 9, 2019 13:56:31 GMT
Ahhhhh yes! Super excited that the new modules are starting to come out. Got a ton of new modules on the way, gonna take some time to catch my breath and figure things out but then I’m gonna snag these and have a modular drum machine in my system.
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Post by 101 on Jul 9, 2019 20:02:49 GMT
TOPOPGRAF looks to me to be a good way to at last escape the tyranny of x0x drum programming. I'm in. It's going to be DRUMKIT 010 as well for me. It's going to be great not to have to fiddle about with hihats anymore.
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Post by anthonymd303 on Sept 25, 2019 18:34:35 GMT
Stupid question but can the topograf(grids) be used for simple melodies?
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Post by moruial on Sept 25, 2019 19:19:23 GMT
I don't own the modul yet, but as far as I understand it, the topograf is more of a trigger, so he can't makes sound by himself. But I bet if you patch each of his outputs to diffrent sound source (filter, oscilators, noise,...) you can runn a melody, yes.
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Post by anthonymd303 on Sept 25, 2019 19:27:37 GMT
That's what i figured thankyou
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Post by anthonymd303 on Sept 25, 2019 19:30:21 GMT
It's just funny that with all the videos I've seen out there of grids i haven't seen any that use it for anything other than percussion.
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Post by admin on Sept 25, 2019 22:46:35 GMT
It's just funny that with all the videos I've seen out there of grids i haven't seen any that use it for anything other than percussion. Well, Grids has been specifically developed as a trigger sequencer and the patterns that you can dial in are all drum and percussion patterns that work best with kick, snare and closed hi-hat. Of course you could trigger other samples or envelopes with more musical content, but that is just a lot more work to set up and would need many more modules. I do like the idea though! My immediate thought was of triggering 3 different voices that fade very slowly in and out but because you can change their probability they appear "random" if played very slowly. Kind of like the app "Bloom" by Brian Eno.. |
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Post by anthonymd303 on Sept 25, 2019 23:48:47 GMT
Yes exactly. I've always been a fan of using things differently than originally intended. I think it was Mylar melodies if I'm not mistaken that used a mother 32 for percussion with a dfam for melody. And of course if the roland tb303 had always been used as it was designed acid would never have been invented.
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Post by Gaëtan on Sept 26, 2019 6:24:50 GMT
You could definitely use it as a trigger generator for melodies. It will only generate triggers, not pitch, but you can do that another way using for example the SEQ16
Example for a bass line : -Trigger the envelope generator of your voice with the topograph's kick
-Patch the same kick trigger to your SEQ16 clock -Patch the SEQ16 to control the pitch of your bass line Now, every time topograph sends a kick, your sequence will advance one step.
More fun : -AND together the kick and snare, and use them to trigger your voice's EG -Use the hihat to clock the SEQ16 You're going to have some pretty groovy bass lines with that
Or for a melody : -Clock your SEQ16 with a regular clock, and send the output to a Sample & Hold -AND the HH and the kick, and use it to trigger both your voice's EG and the S&H -Use the output of the S&H as you voice's pitch You'll have a stable melody that will skip steps according to the state of the Topograf
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Post by anthonymd303 on Sept 26, 2019 7:18:38 GMT
Wow now i really can't wait for my topograf to arrive. Thanks for all the ideas.
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Post by NightMachines on Sept 27, 2019 5:30:38 GMT
You can also use the old trick of mixing gate signals at different intensities, for example with an ATTMIX in DC mode. Patch the TOPOGRAF’s (or any other gate sequencer’s) gate outputs into the mixer and the mix output into a VCO‘s pitch input. Then you can tune each gate signal channel by turning down the according mixer knob. If two or more gates are high at the same time, they will add, creating a new pitch CV.
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It's just that I've read GRIDS having some issues triggering inputs expecting a gate signal. 
